New here and new to ataxia, scared

I will introduce myself here. I will copy and paste from my profile message and add some more things i want to share that there wasn't room for, and ask if anyone knows anything about any of these things.

here is the story from my profile:

I have had three episodes since January. Each is worse than the one before. Each happens in the morning on or during waking. First episode, late January 2014, relatively mild (i fell twice when walking to the bathroom first thing in the morning and then was more careful walking, i was unable to type, unable to coordinate making breakfast). This episode ended when i made some instant oatmeal (unsweetened)--the symptoms rapidly went away in a few minutes.

second episode, March 2, 2014, much worse than first episode, woke up falling from my bed to the floor, unable to use my arms to break my fall. Could not get up, could not walk. i had peed on myself but didn't remember doing it. i remembered the other time when eating something cleared up the symptoms. I drug myself to the kitchen and ate a piece of rye bread (it was on the lowest shelf, i could not get up). The symptoms rapidly went away and i could get up and walk and i was fine, better than after the first episode.

Third episode, May 28.2014. I woke up in the morning, laying on my back on the floor, not remembering how i got there. i was unable to get off my back, i couldn't roll over, and i was disoriented, i didn't really know where i was at first. Beginning to figure things out came very gradually. i was laying near the foot of the bed, which is not near the part of the bed i get up from, but i don't remember how i got there. I could not pronounce words clearly. I couldn't control vocal sounds. I was calling out for help. even though i live alone. I had peed on myself but i don't remember that. Gradually i figured out that i was in my room. The door was closed, ii couldn't reach the door knob though it was only 2-3 feet away, i was helpless. But eventually, i was able to sit up, it probably took about 15 minutes or more, but these symptoms were improving a little. I remembered the other times when eating helped but the kitchen seemed impossibly far away. Eventually, i crawled to the kitchen and ate a piece of rye bread. Not as fast as the other time, but the symptoms steadily went away, pretty quick. I could get up and walk, but i was still unsteady and my head was bleary. But this got gradually better throughout the day.

Because eating cleared up the symptoms the first time in late January, and then, in late February i had routine blood work which had extremely low blood glucose (my doctor emailed me at home to ask how i was feeling the next day because it was so extreme, it was 32Mg/L. The lowest amount on the normal range is 65. When i emailed back that i was feeling normal, he decided it must've been a lab error because people don't feel normal with numbers that low, or even higher than that.

5 days later, i had the second episode of ataxia in early March, much worse than the first. Eventually i was able to get to the kitchen and eat something and the symptoms quickly went away. Has anyone ever experienced a relationship of ataxia to eating? or to fasting. like over night?

At that point, i knew that the very low blood glucose level was not a lab error (the lab had printed the word CRITICAL next to the number).

i emailed my doctor the whole story of these three incidents--the two ataxias and the extremely low blood sugar (i am not diabetic). We agreed i should see an endocrinologist. I also started eating 5 meals a day, small meals, with protein and complex carbohydrates, which is what i'd been eating since the 1990s anyway. i did feel better after doing that for about a week, but it might have been caused by something else that happened around the same time.

Anyway, I searched google for hypoglycemia and read a lot of stuff, but i didn't find anything anywhere that sounded like what happened to me.

I saw the endocrinologist. Before i did this, i dug out all these old lab tests i collected over the years, going back to the 80s. I had hepatitis C, initially undiagnosed (because the diagnosis hadn't been invented yet, there was no test), so i had my blood tested at least three times a year usually to keep track of how my liver function was doing. As i looked through these over all these decades, i saw that my blood glucose was always normal. i had never paid attention to it before


But in 2006, i got a low one. The lab wrote that there were some contaminating cells so it was never brought to my attention (btw, i had stopped worrying about hepatitis C back in the mid 90s because i got into this holistic nutrition thing and lifestyle thing, and it transformed my life, i felt awesome, all the time, better than i'd felt in my whole adult life, and to some extent that continues even though i have been somewhat off that lifestyle for some years now.)

Anyway, between 2006 and 2014 i had 6 blood tests. On those tests, 5 out of 6 of them had low blood sugar results, some really low. most just mildly low. but still, they had always been completely normal before. And those were not fasting blood tests either, i did them mid day. Looking back, i know that it was around that time, around 2006, when i first started having some hypoglycemic symptoms, pretty mild and i could avoid them by eating lunch on time. i never woke up with them, despite going all night without eating. But i did become very tired around that time, I'm sure now that it was related to the low blood sugar

So, i don't think low blood sugar is a recent onset thign. But i just read in a research abstract on google that .

"….Conclusions Repeated MR images revealed specific lesions in the bilateral basal ganglia, cerebral cortex, substantia nigra, and hippocampus, which suggests the particular vulnerability of these areas to hypoglycemia in the human brain.…" (i think this research was done of cadavers who had been stroke victims)

My attention had already been drawn to the basal ganglia before this, because of another factor that i am wondering about, in case it might be related to my episodic ataxia---For most of the past 45 years, i have used various sleep aids. It started out being marijuana in the late 60s when that stuff was popular. It was great for sleep.

I guess tolerance must've developed, i don't remember, but in the mid 70s my then doctor prescribed Valium for sleep. I continued to take that until 1993 when i got a tolerance for it, it didn't work anymore, so i just stopped taking it, went through some brief withdrawal symptoms for a few days, all neurological, and then was fine, except sleeping was a challenge.

I thought it would take a long time, but i had a really intense full time day job, i was a public child welfare social worker, child abuse and neglect, and i was a single parent of a 9 year old, and i complained to my doctor about the sleep, although i was so HAPPY to be off the Valium and not wanting to be on anything else. He prescribed Ambien, he said it was short acting. I used it only as needed, like, if i didn't sleep much for three days, then i'd take it but over time, it got more and more habitual.

That started in 1993 and i am just now in the process of getting off it. I went to a specialist doctor who helps people get off this kind of medication. The method he uses is to switch you from Ambien or other short acting medication like that, onto the very long acting Valium. So, with misgivings, i did what he said, i needed help, i switched. It worked. I went from 27mg Ambien a night to zero, and switched onto 10mg Valium and then, the next step is to start tapering off. So, now i'm down to 8mg Valium and tonight i'm going to go to 7mg.

The reason my attention was drawn to the basal ganglia, about month ago, is because i was researching ataxia and ambien, and i was thinking this is cerebellar, right?, because it involves motor control. But something i was reading said that the basal ganglia is filled with GABA receptors. I'm sorry to use terms that may be unfamiliar but i don't know what the synonyms might be, and i don't understand the meanings of them myself, but this is just to explain why i have gotten interested in the basal ganglia part of the brain--because Ambien and also benzodiazapines affect GABA receptors, that's how they work. GABA is (i think) i neurotransmitter, and GABA is involved in just about everything our brains do, and if they get messed up, there will be symptoms.

The basal ganglia is a part of the brain that affects motor control. What i read is that basal ganglia is filled with GABA receptors. And Ambien that i've just taken for 20 years, and Valium that i took for about 20 years before that, act on the GABA receptors. They are GABA agonists. I do not know what that means, i just keep seeing that term when i read about this.

Anyway, since i've been saturating my brain with these chemicals for so long, i am suspicious that the meds may have something to do with the onset of ataxia. Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about a connection between any kinds of medications and ataxia, anything hat can cause it or create a risk?

i did read today about MSA which i'd never heard of before. Apparently the most common symptoms of it are urinary issues and ataxia?

I'm sorry this is so long. I've been living with it by myself since January. Because each of the three episodes i've had has been worse than the one before, i am fearful that this is rapidly progressive. I don't have any medical advice on this. The endocrinologist said it didn't add up (endocrinologically) and he said he suspected the liver might play a role because of my hepatitis C diagnosis, and he advised me to see a liver doctor. I was skeptical about that, but i have made an appointment for Friday. I will ask that doctor for a neurological referral.

i am not confident in doctors and medicine based on past experience, in fact, i'm scared of them. i didn't start out that way, i saw them as a source of help. But then i had some experiences over a period of many years that killed my naive ideas about what they can and can't do, and i have become fearful of some of the things they tell you to do which are harmful and don't do any good. i don't want to be a guinea pig.

I currently don't have a holistic healer to work with, the one who transformed my life just died a month ago in her late 80s. I am searching. I hope i survive this ataxia because i was so helpless laying on my back on the floor today, i couldn't do anything, nothing, i tried reaching for the door knob but i just couldn't do it, and i was crying out and peed on myself before i became conscious, and i was so helpless, if i could've been able to use a phone, i probably would've called 911. What if it's worse the next time? What can happen? Not good to live alone under these circumstances.

My daughter and son in law who are my only family live 500 miles away and are expecting a baby in early July. and are having some problems with the pregnancy so they can't travel and i don't want to try traveling until i get off the Valium and put that behind me, it's hard enough without the stress and dislocation of traveling . But so far, reading the few posts i've read on here, i haven't found anyone else reporting the severity of what i had--not that i wish that on anyone but i guess it would be helpful to find someone else who has had this. I did read a post by someone named Kimberly in 2011 who's husband died of ataxia three months after diagnosis. but she didn't say what symptoms he was having.

I am sorry this is such a long post, i don't expect anyone to still be reading, but i am glad you guys are here. i just found you while googling various search terms to try to get a handle on what is happening to me. No doctor i've talked to so far knows what it is or what's causing it, and one said "That's weird," and another said "It doesn't add up." I would rather hear that than arrogant wrong opinions. (i welcome humble wrong opinions or guesses). i guess a neurologist would be the next logical thing but there are doctors and then there are doctors. i want to find someone with a humble mind (not a rigid "Do what i say, don't ask questions, don't question my advice")

Anyway, thanks for being here

One other thing--I am in the Los Angeles area, San Fernando Valley, if anyone has any medical referrals.

If if you can find a full doctor of oriental medicine an acupuncturist who also happens to be a physicians assistant or nurse registered practitioner,that would likely be a great source of help to you! That way they can fully understand the Western diagnosis as well as a more holistic way to treat your condition.

I am a medical massage therapist who is suffering with the symptoms of ataxia,gluten related disorders in a myriad of other related health conditions.

Finding someone who understands the holistic nature of this condition, in my opinion, is invaluable. You may also want to look for a medical doctor who understands the true nature of these conditions, aka an attaxia specialist at a teaching hospital.

I hope this helps! By the way, I don’t trust traditional medicine very much either.

What about a seizure disorder? I have a family member with them. Symptoms are similar except food part. Might be combination of things. Many different types of seizures with different symptoms. Some people have them while sleeping can end up on floor, unable to speak move n pee on yourself. Takes time to recover from episodes. Have u ever had a sleep EEG?

Judy, I’ve just read your post, my heart goes out you.

Is it possible for you to see a Neurologist who specializes in Ataxia?

These episodes must surely be understood by someone.

I was wrongly diagnosed years ago, and took anti epilepsy meds
for about 15yrs. So like you I’m sceptical of any advice given by
any doctor.

I wish I could point you in the right direction … xB

I agree with Beryl. Severe hypoglycemia can cause seizures, fainting (you sound like you lost consciousness)or even coma. You need to treat this hypoglycemia as soon as possible.

You seem to prefer a holistic approach. How about trying to find an integrative medicine doctor. Those doctors use both Western and Holistic medicines and are usually very open minded.

One more thing about living alone. This is a big problem when we have health issues. I am not alone very often, but only once in a while and I have purchased a personal alarm system. It is not very expensive, about $30 per month with free receptor and a watch like device that you can wear all day long. They also give you a pendant like necklace that you wear around your neck if you prefer. Both are waterproof an you can wear them in the shower (one of the most dangerous spots in the house)Some systems function on wi-fi, so, where ever you go, you can call for help. The others usually work up to 600 feet around your house.
This really gives a feeling of security in case you cannot stand up, reach a door or a phone. It is well worth the money spent.

By the way, this is not an advertisement for alarm systems :slight_smile: I just wanted to give you an option to look into. There are plenty of companies on the web, and if you are a senior citizen, you probably get plenty of ads in your mail and even phone calls. Those people love to remind us we are at risk… :frowning:
I wish you the very best. Be safe,
Cicina

I ended up at the neuromuscular dept. at the university of colorado. Also Mayo clinic neurology in Arizona would be something to look at. I'm surprised Cedar Sinai wouldn't have a good neuro dept., maybe check into them as well.

I actually like long posts when it comes to medical information. I have a 12-year old daughter with cerebellar and optic atrophy, which we've been in search of a diagnosis for her whole lifetime. So I've been very proactive with my own research regarding her situation. I only thing I could offer you that was given as information for us is the UCLA Ataxia center:

http://www.uclahealth.org/body.cfm?xyzpdqabc=0&id=453&action=detail&limit_department=16&limit_division=1053&limit_program=5017

I've heard good things about it. If we lived closer, I would have pursued it. Best to you in all you have to deal with.

Dear Judy, A huge welcome to this site! There are wonderful people on here for support and understanding! Sounds as though you've been through so much. I agree with you and others, as your best bet is to see a neurologist, someone who specializes in ataxia. Seems like you're dealing with many symptoms, and I'm sure it's probably overwhelming! You'll feel better when you get some well deserved answers! You are not alone in your journey! ;o)

Hi Judy,
Many possibilities;
I would keep looking up information but some sights are better than others.
Here are some other test to get done;

  • B12 blood test
  • HIV

At home you can check;

  • toe heal walk, like the police do when they check if someone has been drinking. (I can no longer do that)
    Doctor’s
  • check for sleep apnea, get a sleep study done
  • have them check for a possible stroke
  • MRI; brain & spine
    More bloodd test;
  • Vitamin E
  • White Blood Cell Defferential
  • Complete Blood Count w Differential
  • Tissue Transglutaminase IGA, IGG
  • Gliadin Antibody
  • ALT (Alanine aminotransferase), serum
  • Erythrocyte Sedimentation Rate
  • Heavy Metal Screen, Blood
  • Testosterone, Total
  • Prolactin
  • DHEA-S
  • Transferrin
  • Iron, Serum
  • Folic Acid, Red Blood Cell
  • Vitamin A
    These are some of the test they gave me to rule out everything all my test came back normal or borderline.
  • I was then tested for muscle and neurve responses from the Neurologist.
    ** my symptoms started w falling backwards and sideways, dizzy, nausea
    ** I was also dealing with a neck and shoulder injury.
    Ataxia is very difficult to diagnose, and not a lot of doctor’s understand it.
    Read as much as you can, study and learn.
    *Yes I would not take any sleep aids ween your self off asap
  • no drugs or alcohol
  • try to eat a healthy diet
  • belong to more than one suport group
  • write down all your symptoms and when they started
  • Very likely you have more than one thing going on.
    ** I do not understand why they ran all the different blood test, just copied it off my chart, so yours could be different.
    Good luck Jaime
  • I am not on this sight very often, it was just by chance I saw this.

when you found lesions on your MRI I at first thought of MS.My MRI had no lesions so I was told it is not MS. Yor description sounds like it to me. But all I know is what I look up trying to find info on my problems. My probems just keep getting worse a little each day. No going away and coming back at a later date like some MS. I have stopped takeing any doctors advice as gospel after a 2 yr wait on cancer diagnosis.I also stopped takeingmeds that are very bad trying to get off of.Some docs will take you off a drug and cause you to go into seizures, some you just need a lot of time to taper off of them some may take considerable time to taper off, like benzodiazapams. Docs think these are better because they are not opiates,which I think the medical establishment is trying to discourage the prescribing of. Jerry



B Andrews said:

Dear Judy,

Welcome to this site. It is a great place to get info. and support.

Your experience is very scary and I agree, you should have a companion at all times! (Probably not easy to arrange, but worth it.) I was wondering if maybe in your falls, you could be hitting your head hard enough to get a concussion. That could explain some of it, MAYBE.

I also want to share that UCLA has a very famous doctor named Dr. Susan Perlman. She is the Director of the Ataxia Center at UCLA Medical Center in Los Angeles! I heard her speak on "Progression of Ataxia" at the NAF conference in Las Vegas in March. Perhaps you can make a connection there.

BEST wishes to you!

B.



B.
thanks for the reply and support. No concussion, not yet. No head bruising or injury or pain i would expect if i bumped my head hard enough to concuss it. I apparently have been falling from my bed, onto wall to wall carpeting, not that i remember what has happened, but i haven't hit my head hard enough to leave any sort of remaining sensation from doing that. What is wrong with my brain, i'm afraid, is internal. I know that low blood sugar can cause brain damage. The brain really needs glucose to function. it's known that severe lows cause brain damage. My low results on testing are very low, 32 at the lab--that is very very low and the lab wrote CRITICAL next to it, and the doctor said it must be an error because i felt normal. Normal is not great. For me, normal, at that time especially, was pretty groggy. But i could function. Then i got this home glucose meter thing and i test it a lot. I get a lot of results in the 30s and 20s in the morning, that is BAD. I think of 40 as high, but most people who test would go to the ER with one in the 40s. For me, it's on the high side. Later in the day, i can get up into the normal range, and then it usually goes down later. I'm just saying, if my blood sugar is chronically this low, then some parts of my brain are probably being harmed but his. And i have an article testing the effect of Ambien on the brain, particularly glucose functioning, it's a medical research article in Google Books, about brain imaging. It says in there that Ambien (zolpidem) causes lesions or something, some kind of damage, to the basal ganglia, and it said that the basal ganglia helps to regulate brain glucose, and that zolpidem interfered with this. So this is the trail i'm on. it's not like the doctors i've seen have any ideas. Of course i need to talk to a neuro and get an MRI. I need to find someone decent, someone who has an open flexible mind. I am very appreciative to hear about Susan Perlman. I am going to call over there and see if i can get a consult or more. i don't know if i'll need my doctor to refer me. He got his medical degree at UCLA so that might help. In fact, the GI doctor he referred me to that i will be seeing tomorrow, if i survive this night, was his mentor at UCLA, he said. Maybe he can help me get referred to that program. thanks so much!

Rose - thank you --that is exactly how i feel, i need some help figuring out what's going on, and apparently its not something typical, and i need someone who likes figuring out things that aren't typical. i hope you are doing ok.. thank you for the support.

Rogo---thank you so much for the link to UCLA, that is where i want to go. Is that where your daughter is followed? I am so sorry she and you have to deal with ataxia. I hear you , that you are very proactive and into an intensive learning mode, and for that i am glad for you, and for your daughter. Thanks again, take care.

rogo said:

I actually like long posts when it comes to medical information. I have a 12-year old daughter with cerebellar and optic atrophy, which we've been in search of a diagnosis for her whole lifetime. So I've been very proactive with my own research regarding her situation. I only thing I could offer you that was given as information for us is the UCLA Ataxia center:

http://www.uclahealth.org/body.cfm?xyzpdqabc=0&id=453&actio...

I've heard good things about it. If we lived closer, I would have pursued it. Best to you in all you have to deal with.

Thank you, i have been looking for a Chinese OMD, someone well recommended and good. i have some sources and am trying to get to that part of my search.

Aglutinous said:

If if you can find a full doctor of oriental medicine an acupuncturist who also happens to be a physicians assistant or nurse registered practitioner,that would likely be a great source of help to you! That way they can fully understand the Western diagnosis as well as a more holistic way to treat your condition.


Aglutinous---sounds like you're dealing with a lot, doing massage must be challenging with ataxia. Yes, you nailed it--finding Western doctor who "gets" holism, and doesn't break everything down into little categories and refer you to someone else for each little category, someone who is a team worker, where the patient is a major part of the team, having that respect. There are doctors like that out there, i come across them. i like my current GP, he is from India i think, and he is a doctor of osteopathy, not an MD, though they pass the same tests to get licensed. He works with me very collaboratively and respectfully. But i was really healthy until this came up so this means seeing a lot more doctors, so am going to encounter some anxiety issues about being pushed into things i don't trust. thanks for sharing your story.

Aglutinous said:

I am a medical massage therapist who is suffering with the symptoms of ataxia,gluten related disorders in a myriad of other related health conditions.

Finding someone who understands the holistic nature of this condition, in my opinion, is invaluable. You may also want to look for a medical doctor who understands the true nature of these conditions, aka an attaxia specialist at a teaching hospital.

I hope this helps! By the way, I don't trust traditional medicine very much either.

PG - thank you. i haven't studied seizures yet, but it is a high risk with low blood sugar, and they do give people glucose when they are able to take stuff by mouth if there's a seizure, or, the inject glucogon. I am going to study that, inspired by your suggestion. i didn't think i was having seizures because i'm not shaking or anything like that, but maybe while i'm unconscious that's what's happening. i do not know how i got onto the floor these last two times. Buti thought it was the ataxia, that i would get up, maybe to go to the bathroom, and would collapse when my legs didn't work. i have a scratch on my leg which i don't remember doing. I am now going to study this. i may stay up all night because I'm afraid to go to sleep.
:( not fun. I will be seeing a neuro at some point, hopefully next week, so i guess there would be an EEG soon. thanks!

PG said:

What about a seizure disorder? I have a family member with them. Symptoms are similar except food part. Might be combination of things. Many different types of seizures with different symptoms. Some people have them while sleeping can end up on floor, unable to speak move n pee on yourself. Takes time to recover from episodes. Have u ever had a sleep EEG?

Beryl--that's my fear with doctors, being given wrong advice and not enough attention paid to things that don't fit the picture, and using meds too freely, that bothers me, that's their culture and i understand it, but i think they minimize or underemphasize the side effects and long term or permanent harmful effects of some meds, and i'm very cautious about this. I am not far at all from UCLA and others have told me about the Ataxia center there, so i am definitely going to try to get in there. thanks for your warmth :)

Beryl Park said:

Judy, I've just read your post, my heart goes out you.

Is it possible for you to see a Neurologist who specializes in Ataxia?

These episodes must surely be understood by someone.

I was wrongly diagnosed years ago, and took anti epilepsy meds
for about 15yrs. So like you I'm sceptical of any advice given by
any doctor.

I wish I could point you in the right direction .... xB

Cicina - thank you for the idea about an integrative medicine doctor. If i can find one that takes Medicare, i will make an appointment. I just turned 65 last month so I'm new to Medicare. It's actually really good, better than the insurance i had from my job/retirement, in the sense that you have more choice of providers.

I am glad to hear about the alarm system. i really need this, and i need to ask my neighbor if he might take my dog briefly until i can figure soothing else out, if go in the hospital or something. i do think must've been in a coma. i hadn't thought of that until you said it. i clearly have no memory of large amounts of time, one hour, two hours? i am afraid to go to sleep. If i stay awake, i'll just keep eating and my glucose won't get low. I went to the endocrinologist but he was kind of dismissive, and said i needed to see a liver doctor. I'm seeing a liver doctor tomorrow, highly recommended. And i will ask him for a nearo referral, he is from UCLA so maybe he can help me get into the Ataxia program there, or maybe he knows someone who trained in that program.

Cicina said:

I agree with Beryl. Severe hypoglycemia can cause seizures, fainting (you sound like you lost consciousness)or even coma. You need to treat this hypoglycemia as soon as possible.

You seem to prefer a holistic approach. How about trying to find an integrative medicine doctor. Those doctors use both Western and Holistic medicines and are usually very open minded.

One more thing about living alone. This is a big problem when we have health issues. I am not alone very often, but only once in a while and I have purchased a personal alarm system. It is not very expensive, about $30 per month with free receptor and a watch like device that you can wear all day long. They also give you a pendant like necklace that you wear around your neck if you prefer. Both are waterproof an you can wear them in the shower (one of the most dangerous spots in the house)Some systems function on wi-fi, so, where ever you go, you can call for help. The others usually work up to 600 feet around your house.
This really gives a feeling of security in case you cannot stand up, reach a door or a phone. It is well worth the money spent.

By the way, this is not an advertisement for alarm systems :-) I just wanted to give you an option to look into. There are plenty of companies on the web, and if you are a senior citizen, you probably get plenty of ads in your mail and even phone calls. Those people love to remind us we are at risk... :-(
I wish you the very best. Be safe,
Cicina